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Seeing Without Division

"So without understanding the nature and structure of conflict - not theorise about it, not offer your opinion against the speaker's, or follow a particular system in order to get rid of conflict, but actually examine for ourselves to see what is conflict, how it arises and whether it is at all possible to be free from it completely. And from there if it is possible to be free from conflict, from violence, brutality, the aggressive life that one leads. Then in the understanding of it then there is a possibility, it seems to me, of right conduct. Because after all we are human beings related to each other, not Muslims and Hindus, Catholics and Englishmen and Russians and all the rest of the nationalistic, linguistic, religious differences, which is obviously childish, immature. So, could we, not intellectually or verbally, go into this question, because a mind that is free from... that is in conflict, at whatever level, conscious or at the deeper levels of the mind, such a mind is incapable of discovering what is truth, if there is such thing as god. A mind in conflict must inevitably escape, because it hasn't resolved its conflicts. Therefore the only possibility is to escape - that escape be religious entertainment, or a speculative, theoretical dogmatism, or indulge in various forms of nationalistic absurdities.
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Are you waiting for the speaker to tell you what is the truth of the matter? We have shown the nature of analysis. We can see very well that the analyser, the entity, the observer, the thinker, says, I am going to analyse myself - anger, jealousy, whatever it is. And is the analyser different from the thing which he analyses? Surely he is not different; he is part of that anger, part of that jealousy, that fear. He is that fear, though he may pretend to be different, outside looking in. And if he is separate then when he analyses deeply, his analysis must be extraordinarily accurate, true, without any distortion, because if he analyses, if his analysis is somewhat distorted, then all future analysis becomes also distorted. And if we are going to analyse, then it takes time - days, months, years. Like a man who is violent, aggressive, brutal, he says, 'I will eventually become peaceful.' In the meantime he is sowing seeds of mischief and violence. And psychologically is there tomorrow at all? It is only pleasure and fear breed the idea that there is tomorrow, but actually is there tomorrow, psychologically not chronologically?
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– J. Krishnamurti
Public Talk 1
London, England -
 12 March 1969

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Discussion 6
Brockwood Park, England
May 20, 1976


What will bring about a radical transformation in the total consciousness of human beings?

Right relationship begins with the realization of the responsibility I have for myself.

Is the observer different from that which is observed? If there is a difference between the observer and the observed there is division, and therefore conflict.

My consciousness is the consciousness of the world because it is filled with the things of thought sorrow, fear, pleasure, despair, attachment. In that state you cannot have any relationship with any human being.

When there is no movement of thought, which is the image-making, what then takes place? When there are none of the things that create division, what comes into being?

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Why is our house in disorder?

Ojai
Public Talk 1
1985


War is the greatest disorder. 

Is order brought about by ideologies? 

After all the religious admonitions saying, 'Don't kill; the other is yourself,' why is it still going on? 

Doubt is essential because that clears the brain so that one can see clearly. 

Is it possible to bring about order in our lives?

Why have we human beings lived with disorder? 

There must be conflict as long as there is division.

Why do we choose? 

Can one live without a single ideal or authority, so that one lives in great order -- now, not tomorrow?

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